Does anyone else agree the big tool vendors or for that matter any third party provider should create more non tool specific training.

I am thinking more along the lines of Windows Installer fundamentals such as

Self healing
Sequencing
Properties

as opposed to how to use WISE conflict manager
or how to use IS editor

blah blah you get the drift.
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I agree with you 100%

When I first did Wise training years ago I was lucky enough to have a very skilled instructor. He was an external contractor for Wise and knew exactly how important the basics skills (in other words, Windows Installer) were for a full understanding of the problem space. A year passed before I was able to absorb all that I had learned.

Lucky me.

Later I've seen much worse, from Sym ..Altiris, and from that other one. I see this everywhere, AD courses where you learn about ADUC and GPMC but no details about how group policy processing work, even VMware do the same lately with their overemphasis on Virtual Center in their VCP cert. Gah. Oh well, rant over.

But as I said, I agree with you 100%. How do we change it? :-)
Answered 06/05/2008 by: jib
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John,

Was this a trick question?

Of course the GUI based tools helps a bit but one really needs to learn the ropes of the Windows Installer technology.

jib,
How do we change it?
Start by reading John's blog and ask him politely [;)]
Answered 06/05/2008 by: AngelD
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by chance i bet that was Aaron Shurtz.

there is no tricks around this, I am trying to prove a point to a major Tool Vendor we all know and maybe love.

I was asked to prove there was a need for this .. so this is just one attempt at proving it.
Answered 06/05/2008 by: jmcfadyen
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100% Agree with this, it's more important to learn about the basics of Windows Installer as a pre-requisite before doing say a Wise Package Studio course. I know for a fact that because I was doing training with John before I touched on Wise, it made the course a whole lot easier to understand.
Answered 06/05/2008 by: rbrucelee1978
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I voted yes. But Ive changed my mind. The training the tool vendors supply are specifically for their tools, msi technology is another vendors tool/technology. Wise for instance assumes you know something about msi before taking their course.
Courses on installer would be good, but I dont think it should be up companies like Wise/Altiris to do them, although they would probably be best suited to supply that type of training.
Answered 06/05/2008 by: reds4eva
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thats ok Red's you accidentally answered correctly then !
Answered 06/05/2008 by: jmcfadyen
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LOL [:D]
Answered 06/06/2008 by: AngelD
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