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I need some help/advice.

I wasn't hired as a packager, I picked up the training while on the job years ago and then took over as sole packager when the main packager recently left the company and its now become one of my main responsibilities. I now have 4 years experience packaging (almost 20 in IT) and am in the midst of negotiating with my employer a new compensation deal for my added responsibilities. My company is a major international player in the energy markets.

The problem is our company HQ is based in London, but I am based in a small satellite office in Paris but doing ALL the packaging work for our main HQ (our former packager was in London, so he didn't have this problem). They have already told me they wont pay me a London rate because I live in Paris. Its a great deal for them not having to pay a full London Rate...not so great for me. They have told me to come back to me with a Paris rate for a lead packager.

What I need to know: What would a Application packager (with 4+ years experience) expect to make in the Paris France area?

The reason I ask, unlike the US/UK job French sites/recruiters very rarely post the salaries offered, therefore Its very difficult to draw a baseline what salary range a experienced packager could hope to make. I do know that a *.MSI packagers in the US/UK make a lot more than I currently do but I don't want to start contacting recruiters unless I am willing to make a job change (that's a separate issue). Of course my employers knows that if I do leave, they will be in a pickle which is why I think they are willing to negotiate.

Anyone offer any help?
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Are there any recruitment companies in your area in Paris?  I would go to one or two on the pretext of looking for a new job and see what they suggest as a median rate.  Alternatively, are there any web resources that compare the cost of living in France v UK ?

Failing that, I would just look for another job. If your employer is unwilling to pay the going rate for you then getting a better offer may force their hand but it generally affects the working relationship. So it's time to move on.

Answered 09/11/2014 by: EdT
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I don't want to call any recruiters because then I would be sucked into the recruitment process and I am 3 weeks away from being a daddy to a little girl. Its not really the time to start thinking about a new job when I am about a new full-time job back at home packaging diapers to a young ladies rear-end. 

BUT...Yes, I have given this consideration only if I do decide to make a change it wont be until next year. I have been with the company 6 years and with a extra mouth to feed job security is important. I am legally un-fireable given my seniority but If I change jobs, its a gamble because I lose my protection if it didn't work out with my new employer I'd be in a lot of trouble. I am not saying I won't change jobs, only the timing isn't good about now and there risks involved.

And to fair to my employer (who has been good to me in the past) I'd like to give them a chance to make an offer. They have officially said "Maybe, -Need more information" its not a definite "no" at least not yet.
Answered 09/11/2014 by: mmarsh
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  • Did you look at vacancy websites?
    Those can give some impression on what companies offer (plus a pony for the little girl).
    Problem I see with packager is, they are not asked for a lot.
    • Yes, the problem is that In France unlike other countries, the Recruiters don't publish the salary information which is very annoying.

      They are not asked for as much as a devoloper, but I still find offers, especially with virtual apps gaining popularity. And they can do very well, especially if you are a consultant. I have see offers in London for up to £450 a day. But unfortunately that's London, not Paris.
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Depending on whether inner or outer London it could be between 33% and 11% on top of a standard salary for London Weighting.

Is there not an equivalent weighting system in Paris, to account for living in the capital city and the resulting higher cost of living?

Could you find out what the London Packager was earning and see if removing somewhere between 33% and 11% gives you an acceptable salary to request?

Or can you call up and agency in Paris and have a chat about market rates, without entering recruitment process - say that you're just trying to find out whether making a jump is worth while financially.

The alternative is to get a job offer with the salary information and go to your company and explain that you've been offered a position for X - if they do want to keep you, then they should at least match that offer - and then decline the offer with the other company if you want to stay where you are.

This approach certainly works in the UK with certain employers - I've seen it happen, but it's never been something I've done myself.

Hope that helps,
Dunnpy
Answered 09/11/2014 by: dunnpy
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